Ahhhhhh Eyesign!!!…..
it’s one of the biggest debates in our sport. Some absoluely love it and think it’s the best way of evaluating their birds and some absoluetly hate it and think it’s nothing but myth.
Well I wanted to start a discussion and see what your views are on eyesign? post your comments below and share your views on eyesign, share if you have any experience using it and what the outcome was. Is it part of your evaluation process? and if so what do you use it most for, finding racers are breeders?
So go ahead and share you views on eyesign by posting your comments here.
What are your views on eyesign?
Eye Signs do have some truth in them.. RUSS :-We dont look at people or other animals eye signs for the simple reason we dont see the need for them to find their way back home with their feet that too in good timing…
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hii frnd i think u r from india,,, if means let me know u r place…
regards,
Navin
This “debate” has been around for a very long time. Those who do believe that one can tell the racing and breeding quality of a racing pigeon by “signs” they see within a pigeons eye, are often very adamant about it being a “science” and about their abilities to “read” these signs. My thinking is that folks can believe, that which they choose to believe. One is never going to convince these “true believers” that there are some holes in their theories, and frankly, I don’t see the value in trying to convince them otherwise. Those that earn a portion of their living from selling pigeons, have figured out that some percentage of pigeon fanciers do believe in such things, so it’s no wonder that pigeons sold as “Breeding Stock” will amazingly always have a wonderful “Breeders Eye”…..so go figure :)). Personally, I prefer to examine the racing history and the breeding history of a pigeon in order to gage it’s value. If someone would care to come to our club on shipping night, and examine the eyes of the pigeons which are being entered into the race, and then can thus inform me based on “eye sign” which bird will be the winning bird the following day, then I may have to revisit the subject.
Im new to pigeon racing and have read a good bit about eye sign. I think Im with you Warren, the proof is in the timer at the end of the race and nothing i have seen so far has proved otherwise. Of course a good healthy bird will have a bright alert eye and you can see a dull look to the eye in a sick or ailing bird and for that matter human or any other animal. Pigeon racing wouldnt be as interesting as it is if all you had to do was look at the eye. Its about the breeding, the feeding, the training and the care and, from this newbys point of view, theres alot to be said for experience, which I have little of. So I say thank goodness it isnt just about the eye, although Ill keep gathering information just in case it proves to be useful, and enjoy my birds.
FOR JUSTIN *** JERRY *** NARDUS VOLSCHENK,AND ALL OTHERS WHO THINK THAT EYESIGN HAS NO VALUE.!!!
THOSE THAT THINK IT HAS NO VALUE,LITTLE VALUE OR A SCAM.!!!!! IT WORKS, AND IT WORKS FOR BREEDING AND RACING.!!! OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH.!!! THERE ARE SPECIFIC BIRDS FOR BREEDING WHO FLY,BUT DO NOT ALWAYS WIN RACES, BUT YET ARE BREEDERS.
THE RACE WINNERS FLY AND WIN, BUT DO NOT ALWAYS BREED THEIR LIKE. IT IS HERE THAT THOSE WHO STUDY EYESIGN, CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
THIS DIFFERENCE CAN ALSO BE SEEN IN THE NEST AND WHEN BIRDS ARE VERY YOUNG. THE BIRDS ARE BORN OR HATCHED WITH EVERYTHING THAT THEY WILL EVER BE. THEY DO NOT GROW INTO BEING BREEDERS OR FLYERS TO WIN.
NARDUS, WHEN YOU MENTIONED STUD, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CATTLE, BUT BREEDING RACING PIGEONS IS NO DIFFERENT.
YOU NEED THE RIGHT STUD COCKS AND BROOD HENS TO PRODUCE THE RIGHT QUALITY FOR RACING AND BREEDING.
IF ANYONE HAS A CAMERA AND CAN TAKE CLOSE UP SHOTS OF THE EYE, SEND THEM TO ME AND I’LL GIVE YOU A DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT CAN BE DETECTED FROM GOOD EYE PICS SENT BY E-MAIL.
ANYONE LIVING CLOSE ENOUGH CAN BRING THEM TO MY DOOR.
GIVE IT A SHOT, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE & A LOT TO LEARN.
Thanks for all your input Myron. I have read your techniques on the Alberta Classic site. It is very simple to understand somewhat similar to Jack Barkel which I follow also very simple to understand. I look for the five rings must be complete for breeders and concentric. Iris must be full in circumference and have character and have depth, eye must have 3-D look as you mentioned. I just raised some youngster with this characteristics, they are inbred so I will outcross and test progeny. I will send you pics of my breeders and see what you think, Thank you. Btw, to all the readers, eyesign is a tool you can use, It is one of the traits I look for. If I have a choice between two breeders with the same physical attributes, I will pick the one with the better eye.
Great addition to the article! Thanks for posting.
-Chris
well, i am from pakistan and here people do believe in eye sign. i came to know a old fancier who told me alot about this eye sign and even visited my loft and made his coomments according to the bird’s eye and i was astonished to everything he said, was so true.
i can share a website (www.albertaclassic.net)which helped me alot in learning this eye sign but it will only help if someone work hard on learning this skill. Here, in this part people who know this skill dont share it with learners(novoice), thanks to the website from where i came to learn a lot.
take care
eyesign is useless in determining if the bird will perform well in races. good bird, good health, good system of management, training, knowing what to feed are what it makes a champion.
I think seeing a beautiful Pigeon and seen a beautiful Women. They both have beautiful eyes. I use to keep records on all the birds eyes and I came to the conclusion it’s only good for checking for good health.
As a computer guy, was my believes that I will test my fliers in the basket. Until a fancier visit my lofts and show my best bird out, just by looking at the eyes. Also he pointed all my youngsters to the correct parents. He was on the mark to give each cock and hen in the stock loft, performances and achievements through their babies. Even point out a racer which have a “spot” in the eye, which where indicating that the bird got hurt. Was very impressive. I will geared myself, to take photo’s and compared, race results to it. He dared me to compare his method of “Full eye” paired to “Open eye” combinations, than my method of best with the best.
my 10c thought on eye sign,
Zakspeed
South Africa
Hi
My opinion regarding the eye sign is simple and do not have much to say about it. I believe that the eye does not necessary divide good from bad. The eye does not help a pigeon to be any better than the next. Pigeons win and race constant with all kind of different eyes. I believe the eye is simple all about personal liking. Most pigeon fanciers practice their whole lives to breed the perfect racer that is complete as a package. One can compare it to a farmer, farming with stud cattle. The coal is to have cattle that looks the same to a set standard. The same with pigeons. I try to breed excellent pigeons that does not only race good but also looks good and together with that goes the most beautiful eyes. Why not aim to breed good eyes?
Regards
Nardus Volschenk
South-Africa
I think this is one from more things we should care about it the health and good feed and good training is the most important things we should know about it
I think the most important thing is the HEALTH of the loft. 2nd would be selective breeding based on performance and health.